tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post2756607510460103200..comments2024-02-11T00:54:20.373-08:00Comments on A Trail Runner's Blog: Hey, Masters Runners - Are You All-American?Scott Dunlaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16096284778835123584noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-5061731813298964722010-06-13T17:20:45.602-07:002010-06-13T17:20:45.602-07:00Excellent post. You did a great job explaining an...Excellent post. You did a great job explaining and thank you for providing the links. I learned that I qualified for the half marathon all american standard but since I'm not an USATF member I am not eligible. I will consider joining though and run another qualifying half.Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02527827359630897863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-33084856449408062882010-05-04T16:46:53.437-07:002010-05-04T16:46:53.437-07:00If I ever hear someone say "I'm a 30-time...If I ever hear someone say "I'm a 30-time all american", that will be the proof point that this is way oversold. Sounds like that isn't out of the realm of possibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-55043152861991974062010-01-31T16:31:00.962-08:002010-01-31T16:31:00.962-08:00I'd like to know more about these USATF Age Gr...I'd like to know more about these USATF Age Group Guidelines - where do you see the asterisk? And is that all that they mean? I've beaten these but have never seen my asterisk.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17114554302533964898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-8541147803886559032010-01-26T01:54:58.331-08:002010-01-26T01:54:58.331-08:00Actually, I take that back. Instead of leaving 50...Actually, I take that back. Instead of leaving 50 miles off, they should concede more legitimacy to ultrarunning by including 50k, 100k, 100 miles as well, but actually crunch some numbers (the data exists and in this day and age, is easily accessible) and make a meaningful chart. Although maybe no one really cares.Mark Tanaka (Ultrailnakaman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13506740152878287937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-78907758961394918292010-01-26T01:49:45.774-08:002010-01-26T01:49:45.774-08:00Interesting. MAYBE I'll shell out for certifi...Interesting. MAYBE I'll shell out for certificates. Like if I had a doctor's office (ED docs don't usually).<br /><br />Steve, I like how they really finessed the age group gradations for the 50 mile. For men-- 6 hours flat until the day you turn 40 then you get an extra 45 minutes. If they're not going to think about that distance seriously, they should just leave it off. (Hell, I ran a 6:22 including going a half mile off course when I was 39, but all those other distances are way out of my reach.)Mark Tanaka (Ultrailnakaman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13506740152878287937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-64227008820804623902010-01-25T00:52:36.607-08:002010-01-25T00:52:36.607-08:00Thanks for the "research paper", Scott! ...Thanks for the "research paper", Scott! Would be interesting to track the number of so-called "all Americans" indeed to see if we are getting closer to the 5% with the increased popularity of running over the past decades. A project for the statisticians of our sport like Stan, Gary, Mark, Peter. Although ultra and trail running have their own specifics and the concept of standards doesn't apply very well.<br /><br />Personally, I'm close to the thresholds (one side or the other, depending on the distance) but only after I just change age group, so it doesn't feel good to age... :-/<br /><br />Anyway, great job on picking up speed, a confirmation that track and speed work... work!<br /><br />Seems like I will not see you often this season with your eclectic race program, while I'm "stuck" with the Grand Prix... ;-) See you at Miwok in May then!Jean Pommierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12590228467214315945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-61645597766263681262010-01-22T18:05:04.325-08:002010-01-22T18:05:04.325-08:00Good call on nixing the steeple. It really is a to...Good call on nixing the steeple. It really is a tough and specific event. And hooray for the 1500!! Remember, put it all on the line in lap #3, okay?Gretchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01132576974564001603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-65105581514143066172010-01-21T12:02:54.574-08:002010-01-21T12:02:54.574-08:00I looked up the times for a road 10K and sure enou...I looked up the times for a road 10K and sure enough the only 10K I ran last year qualified me as an All American (55-59). I clicked on the link for the certificat and for $12 I could purchase mine. Seems to me if you earn it you should not have to pay for it.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11070580220919264067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-77545765507692852382010-01-21T03:11:30.347-08:002010-01-21T03:11:30.347-08:00Great post Scott, taking everything away from the ...Great post Scott, taking everything away from the "All American" thing, this post should at least aspire those of us of a "senior level" to go out and do something. Looking for another win this year in the Tri arena, maybe not in the 70.3's i have planned but who knows. <br />Good luck with your years races Scott.<br />Mike<br />http://mikegrahamfitness.com/Mikehttp://mikegrahamfitness.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-11815916863569801032010-01-20T16:50:16.474-08:002010-01-20T16:50:16.474-08:00Scott,
Sorry for the non-track related comment, b...Scott, <br />Sorry for the non-track related comment, but TRTraces filled up already. I remember 4 years ago when it filled up in May or later. <br />I got in, but it was luck that I looked and they were at 377 out of 400. Crazy.BobbyKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09223934237446271998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-84520126420078347712010-01-20T16:18:41.737-08:002010-01-20T16:18:41.737-08:00Scott, I posted the men and women time standards o...Scott, I posted the men and women time standards online, in case anyone else was interested.<br />Here's the link, hopefully it works!<br /><br /><a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tIbTZxiDurPVYeMFCXqxozQ&output=html" rel="nofollow">USATF Age Group Guidelines </a>Jedi Dadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10366099879750641360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-11343818151110039332010-01-20T13:25:45.685-08:002010-01-20T13:25:45.685-08:00dude, i know you. you used to work at all american...dude, i know you. you used to work at all american burger.spicolinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-45956272283542580472010-01-20T13:05:04.199-08:002010-01-20T13:05:04.199-08:00The road times are incredibly slow/soft for a mast...The road times are incredibly slow/soft for a master's female IMO. I agree that these are not the top 5% but perhaps more reflective of the top 75% percentile. They are certainly nothing to aspire to...in my category at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-17027561903683451472010-01-20T11:22:22.678-08:002010-01-20T11:22:22.678-08:00Gretch -
I've been rethinking that steeplecha...Gretch -<br /><br />I've been rethinking that steeplechase idea, particularly after having so much fun at the mile. For the sake of simplicity of training, I think I'm going for 1500m in July instead. I'm not sure if I'm coordinated enough to make a decent steeplechaser in five months. ;-)<br /><br />GZ - Great idea. They already have USATF events for all of those distances. It would certainly be more congruent with other "All-American" usage.<br /><br />Steve - Absolutely e-mail those standards! Those sound good and tough.<br /><br />SDScott Dunlaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16096284778835123584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-1180131276965163212010-01-20T11:00:24.988-08:002010-01-20T11:00:24.988-08:00I'm not sure what "ALL-American" is ...I'm not sure what "ALL-American" is and I agree the times are not very challenging. <br />At first I thought you were talking about USATF age-group guidelines. This standard IS very hard to achieve. This usually shows up in the results with an "*" next to your time. The "*" signifies your time was under the USATF age-group guidelines, also called the Time Standards for National Ranking. Basically, if you have an "*" next to your time, you are a national-class athlete (in your age group). For instance, for a M40-44, the time standard for the 1/2 marathon would be 1:14:00, the marathon 2:37. The USATF does a terrible job explaining any of this. The tables can be hard to find, in fact I don't remember where exactly I found them. Email me if you'd like the tables, I'd be happy to send them along.Jedi Dadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10366099879750641360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-84772895410998384412010-01-19T18:36:54.092-08:002010-01-19T18:36:54.092-08:00Interesting. You really do have the track bug, don...Interesting. You really do have the track bug, don't you. (And PLEASE tell me you're going to practice the steeple before you get to the staring line!) <br />I kind of find the All-American term misleading I guess because, as you mentioned, I definitely think of it as an NCAA thing. At that level, it truly has a lot of meaning. I have to say, I agree with the above commenter, that it would at least hold more meaning for Masters if it were decided by direct competition.<br /><br />Also, Scott, 4:24 is not as fast as you think. Remember, it's not a mile. With some specific training, you could totally hit that.Gretchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01132576974564001603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8860166.post-58372387713657017352010-01-19T17:37:05.914-08:002010-01-19T17:37:05.914-08:00Good write up.
Generally, I think if there is to ...Good write up.<br /><br />Generally, I think if there is to be an all American status, it should not be against some time standard (and if you want that, call it the Presidential Physical Fitness Award), but instead have a competition where it is decided ... NCAA XC All Americans are decided at the NCAA XC meet, same thing with track. True - other sports like football vote them in - that is the advantage of direct competition sports like ours. There are enough Masters meets via USATF where such things could be decided.GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.com